sex issues seem to be the number one reason but apostasy is right up there too.
even if you weren’t disfellowshipped , do you know why some people you know were disfellowshipped?
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Yes and you have to ask apostate to what?
By WT's standards Jehovah is the biggest apostate closely followed by Jesus Christ.
And if you get df'd for sticking to God's Word - you can only return IF you repent.
According to J Schnell who wrote 30 Years a Watchtower Slave they only use a very small percentage of the Bible on which to base their doctrine. You question the way they have cobbled together their values, identity and authority and you are out.
sex issues seem to be the number one reason but apostasy is right up there too.
even if you weren’t disfellowshipped , do you know why some people you know were disfellowshipped?
?.
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This is me interviewing the sister who got disfellowshipped for asking the elders about child abuse. Her name is Christine - she did nothing wrong. She is a genuine Christian who was concerned about wrong doing. Her conscience was troubled by the thought that she was part of an organisation that was covering over child abuse.
My view is that the screws are being tightened. Anyone seriously questioning the GB, their integrity and identity, is being put under pressure to neither listen to criticism nor express criticism of them. Those who are not afraid to express the concerns they have about the GB are removed.
i have a very good friend who has been banned from facebook simply because he makes remarks positive about president trump and negative toward the democratic party.
he has tried to get back on facebook and it appears there is no way for him to return.
people are being removed from social media platforms simply because they have a different political view.
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sex issues seem to be the number one reason but apostasy is right up there too.
even if you weren’t disfellowshipped , do you know why some people you know were disfellowshipped?
?.
I was disfellowshipped for saying Dan 1:1 really did mean the 3rd year of Jehoiakim's rulership and that Dan 2:1 really did mean the 2nd year of Nebuchadnezzar's rulership.
A friend was df'd for asking the elders about the child abuse issues and was disfelloshipped without even being told about it. She was 79 years old. This happened last year just before she had a major operation. So when her ex-cong members see her limping in a shop they are supposed to shun her rather than offer to help carry her shopping. Or smile or speak kindly to her.
i have a very good friend who has been banned from facebook simply because he makes remarks positive about president trump and negative toward the democratic party.
he has tried to get back on facebook and it appears there is no way for him to return.
people are being removed from social media platforms simply because they have a different political view.
Facebook and Twitter are platforms - the ones who hold the rights own it and if you agree to their terms and conditions, you agree. It's just like WT. WT owns it's platform.
If you take part in it you add weight to it. If you leave it, it becomes more light weight.
Of course it does depend exactly what you are weighing.
yup - person has done nothing wrong.
but they have called a judicial and from what i can tell refusing to wear a facemask is bothering them more than the person not turning up.. so is this new light?
if you have been called to a judical please remember to stay safe and wear your personal protective equimpment.
Drearyweather - something similar happened to me. When they really have nothing on you they actually leave you alone. If you are questioning their doctrine from a scriptural point of view they become toothless and seek to avoid you. They ignore you up to a point.
Yes there were personal reasons this why this one chose not to go until this point. And yes of course, in reality this one will leave them, not the other way around. FYI the person has influence locally, is much loved and deeply respected.
Because it is recognised that elders have not framed policies, kindness has been extended to them. We know they have their apostate rifles out. As usual they are aiming at their own heads. Kind encouragement has been given not to pull the trigger but, I bet you one red Smartie they pull it.
Balaammsass2 - yes locally using that logic someone has even come up with the 3 witness rule. Leave it long enough maybe they'll have a 144k witness rule.
Overrate - this person is not afraid of what these sad, misguided men are going to do. They are pitiable but they are behaving outrageously. This one tried to help them as a shepherd tries to help a lost sheep. Truely Christian and moved by profound concern for their well being. All to no avail at the moment.
yup - person has done nothing wrong.
but they have called a judicial and from what i can tell refusing to wear a facemask is bothering them more than the person not turning up.. so is this new light?
if you have been called to a judical please remember to stay safe and wear your personal protective equimpment.
Yes this is way more than on speakerphone - the person is right out in the open with it. If they'd wanted to, I expect the whole body of elders could have listened in.
The elders were professing to offer 'help'. Not that anyone believed they were trying to help. But kindness was extended to them, to allow them to reason on the scriptures and consider the steps they were taking.
But their 'help' proved to be ensuring the loyalty questions had NOT been answered correctly. Once they had checked that (which they had know for ages) they decided to call a judicial at the KH wearing face masks.
yup - person has done nothing wrong.
but they have called a judicial and from what i can tell refusing to wear a facemask is bothering them more than the person not turning up.. so is this new light?
if you have been called to a judical please remember to stay safe and wear your personal protective equimpment.
Yes silentbuddha they will df the person and they know he has done nothing wrong from a Christian point of view. But from a Watchtower view... well splutter, mutter, feather spit.
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Me too please.
yup - person has done nothing wrong.
but they have called a judicial and from what i can tell refusing to wear a facemask is bothering them more than the person not turning up.. so is this new light?
if you have been called to a judical please remember to stay safe and wear your personal protective equimpment.
BluesBrother they have known for years that this person questoned everything. But they have only now started the df process.
Finding no fault with this one, other than not complying with WT doctrine/being concerned about findings of the Aus Royal Commission, one elder latched onto the refusal to wear a face mask - which would have endangered NO ONE because this one will not be attending the judicial.
That's the stupid thing about all this.
Living by Jesus Christ's standards is important to Christians. Love your neighbour involves keeping them safe. Not living by Jesus' standards is what the elders are doing. By doing this they are attempting to cause separation and division.
